TEXT OF THE GLOBAL ONLINE DIVINE SATSANGH ..G.O.D.S. HELD ON THURSDAY 29TH JUNE, 2006 AT 10.00 PM (IST) Balasubramanian has joined the conference. padswami: No, thank you. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: padswami has declined to join. chandra acharya has joined the conference. yo_vishy has joined the conference. nayanika romanyuk has joined the conference. donthuswetha has joined the conference. donthuswetha: sairam Suraj Vemuri has joined the conference. chandra acharya: sairam to allllll G Balasubramanian: Loving SAI Rams to one and all nayanika romanyuk: Sairam to all of you yo_vishy: sairam to all PRATAP THAKKER: sairams Suraj Vemuri: SAIRAM PRATAP THAKKER: shall v begin with 3 shanthis? yo_vishy: what can be the topic today?? yo_vishy: ok sure nayanika romanyuk: k PRATAP THAKKER: aaauuummmmmm.............. nayanika romanyuk: oommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm yo_vishy: auum chandra acharya: aaummmmmm PRATAP THAKKER: aaaaaaaauuujmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm........... nayanika romanyuk: o,mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm PRATAP THAKKER: aaaauuuuuuuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm nayanika romanyuk: ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm PRATAP THAKKER: ( sorry it was 3 oms not 3 shantis) nayanika romanyuk: ommmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm PRATAP THAKKER: the topic is as announced earlier yo_vishy: ommm ommm ommm G Balasubramanian: Before we try to learn from each other about Ego as a hindrance to Self-Realization shall we understand something about Self -realization per se? PRATAP THAKKER: "HOW EGO IS A HINDRANCE IN GOD REALISATION" donthuswetha has left the conference. PRATAP THAKKER: YES UNCLE yo_vishy: Ego makes us think we are the doer..... PRATAP THAKKER: V SHOULD nayanika romanyuk: Realization of Self PRATAP THAKKER: PLS CARRY ON yo_vishy: but not god......so to realize swami we have to loose this ego conscience G Balasubramanian: Swamy says"The I must become aware of the I. That is Self-realisation." yo_vishy: never ever think we are the doer yo_vishy: wow!!thats a good one G Balasubramanian: There is nothing other than Self in the Universe PRATAP THAKKER: YES yo_vishy: yes!!! but how to listen to it?? nayanika romanyuk: Actually action for the need of the person for whom it is done and with namasmarana of the lord in our heart and the lips will pave the way G Balasubramanian: All things seen as existing in the phenomenal world are only reflection of the one Self PRATAP THAKKER: hhmm... nayanika romanyuk: realize WHO U REALLY ARE FROM WHAT OTHERS THINK YOU ARE nayanika romanyuk: AND WHAT YOU THINK U ARE nayanika romanyuk: THIS IS SELF REALIZATION PRATAP THAKKER: and who v really are? G Balasubramanian: The Atmatatwa-principle of the Self pervades everywhere as Chaitanya or onsciousness nayanika romanyuk: GODS OF THE SAME ILK AS OUR SWAMY Suraj Vemuri has left the conference. nayanika romanyuk: THIS AWARENESS IN US COMES IN FLASHES AND IS NOT PERMANENT BECAUSE OF OUR BODY CONSCIOUSNESS nayanika romanyuk: BC IS THE MOST DANGEROUS MALADY OR ILLNESS AND IS KARMIC AND ALSO IS EGO BOUND PRATAP THAKKER: i see nayanika romanyuk: LOSING THIS CONSCIOUSNESS IN ALL ITS VARIABLE HUES IS ABS NECESSARY TO MAKE THE WAY FOR SELF REALIZATION PRATAP THAKKER: very nice nayanika romanyuk: PRIDE POSSESSIVENESS BONDING ATTACHMENT DESIRE NEEDS AND MAKING PROJECTIONS OF NEED BASED SITUATIONS FOR OTHERS TOO IS EGO...THIS HAS TO BE SCISSORED WITH A KNIFE WHICH WILL DEMOLISH IT TOTALLY LEAVING NO TRACE PRATAP THAKKER: yeah G Balasubramanian: To PRATAP THAKKER: but can v now prcisely define wht is Self realisation? G Balasubramanian: We have discussed about EGO in two full sessions PRATAP THAKKER: now how it is hindrance in self realisation PRATAP THAKKER: for this v need to know wht is self realisation G Balasubramanian: We are now trying to understand how Ego is a hindrance to Self-realization nayanika romanyuk: DO ACT FINISH THE ACTION WHICH IS PROMPTED AND ARISES BECAUSE OF NAMA SMARANA AND THE UTTERANCE OF THE LORDS NAME CONSTANTLY...JUST SAI OR OM IS SUFFICIENT SINCE THE POWER OF THIS IS IMMENSE AS EACH IMPULSE STRENGTHENS THE SUCCEEDING IMPULSE ANEW nayanika romanyuk: MOVE ON DONT AWAIT ANY GRATITUDE OR REWARD SINCE THE DOER THE RECEIVER AND THE CHIEF MC OF THE DRAMA IS OUR BHAGWAN Meena Motwani has joined the conference. G Balasubramanian: The entire Cosmos consisting of moving and non-moving objects is only SELF nayanika romanyuk: WE ARE PUPPETS ON A STRING HE IS OUR PUPPETEER G Balasubramanian: Nothing exists other than Atma PRATAP THAKKER: yes nayanika romanyuk: AS FLOATSAM AND JETSAM WE AS ATMA TATWAS ARE CONSTANTLY UNDER THE COMMAND OF OUR LORD AND MASTER...WE ARE HIS MASTERS VOICE AND HIS ACTION Meena Motwani has left the conference. nayanika romanyuk: OUR ATMA TOO IS A CHIP OF THE BLOCK WHICH IS HIS CREATION PRATAP THAKKER: nayanika so wht then would u term as "self realisation?" chandra acharya: nayanika romanyuk: REALIZE WE ARE CHIPS OF THE BLOCK...BBLOCK HERE REFERRING TO THE CREATOR OUR LORD NARAYANA nayanika romanyuk: LORD IS OUR SHEPHERD PRATAP THAKKER: yes v understand nayanika romanyuk: WE ARE HIS SHEEP G Balasubramanian: We need to constantly contemplate on the Self,to realise the Self,to be firmly established in the self and to experience the bliss of Self PRATAP THAKKER: is that not duality? nayanika romanyuk: BA BA BA BA BA BA BA BA G Balasubramanian: Atma is also known as awareness nayanika romanyuk: DUALITY IS LEFT BEHIND nayanika romanyuk: UNITY PURITY DIVINITY G Balasubramanian: It is awareness that is responsible for the "I" consciousness in all beings G Balasubramanian: It is called AHAM nayanika romanyuk: THE DISSOLUTION PROCESS OVER LEADS TO UNITY PURITY AND DIVINITY nayanika romanyuk: AWARENESS COMES IN FLASHES HAS TO BE REINED IN PRATAP THAKKER: i think wht balu uncle says , says it all nayanika romanyuk: THE PROCESS OF REINING IN IS TO BE TWO FOLD nayanika romanyuk: TRUTH AND RIGHTEOUSNESS G Balasubramanian: When Aham identifiesitself with the body it becomes Ahamkara nayanika romanyuk: THE CONSTANT ADHERENCE TO THESE TWO WILL MAKE FOR THE TWO LIKE WAFT AND WEIR PRATAP THAKKER: wht do u have to say PRATAP THAKKER: Chandra? G Balasubramanian: This is the False "I" G Balasubramanian: And not the real nayanika romanyuk: TO MAKE THE FABRIC BEAUTIFUL AND VERY COSILY WOVEN SINCE IT IS DONE WWITH LOVE AND PURE DIVINE ONENESSS G Balasubramanian: hat hides the Atma always is the mind G Balasubramanian: Mind and ego are offsprings of Atma nayanika romanyuk: GSUB AHAMKARA IS PRIDE AND HAS BEEN SHELVED FOR OUR DISCUSSION ANYWAY nayanika romanyuk: WE HAVE MOVED ON HAVENT WE?? chandra acharya: sorry got disconnected chandra acharya: i have nothing to say.... chandra acharya: i am just learning from your discussions.. PRATAP THAKKER: sure PRATAP THAKKER: ur welcom G Balasubramanian: As long as mind and ego are there man can nothope to understand anything about self G Balasubramanian: Not to speak of realization nayanika romanyuk: MIND AND THE PROJECTION OF THE SELF OR PERSONALITY ARE TWO FORKS IN WHICH THE ATMA CAN MAKE PRONOUNCEMENTS...THIS MIND IS DIFFERENT IT IS THE OPEN MIND chandra acharya: My feeling is that... if we feel as a DASANUDASA... G Balasubramanian: And experiencing the bliss of self chandra acharya: we will have no ego.. chandra acharya: whatever we have is owned by HIM. nayanika romanyuk: THE DEFINITION OF MIND CONSCIOUSNESS READ THE BOOK ON SPIRITUALITY BY MK KAW chandra acharya: We are just a trustee just taking care of the TRUST [possessions] of the Lord.. nayanika romanyuk: HE IS THE DIRECTOR AND DEAN OF THE INTERNATIONAL SAI CENTRE IN NEW DELHI PRATAP THAKKER: yes chandra G Balasubramanian: The state in which one is established in the self at all times and under all circumstances is called Satkshatkar or Self-realization nayanika romanyuk: TRUE CHANDRA BROTHER nayanika romanyuk: BUT AS TRUSTEES AND PLAYING THE EARNEST WATCHMAN WE CANNOT LOSE SIGHT OF THE LORD EVEN FOR A SINGLE WINK OF THE EYE chandra acharya: like a shool Head master taking care of Chairs and Tables in the school, he repairs it when damged etc. etc. when he is a head master. After his retirement from the school he need not take care of them... PRATAP THAKKER: so..this is self realisation PRATAP THAKKER: now can v proceed G Balasubramanian: As long as the mind is there desires do not leave us PRATAP THAKKER: on the main par tof the topic PRATAP THAKKER: how is ego a hindrance in god realisation? chandra acharya: Sir, Suraj Vemuri: Thanks, but no thanks. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: Suraj Vemuri has declined to join. G Balasubramanian: And as long as desires are there the false notion of "I: and :Mine: will not leave us nayanika romanyuk: AFTER LEAVING SCHOOL HE SHEDS THE RESPONSIBILITY AND ALSO THE CARETAKERS POSITION... padswami has joined the conference. chandra acharya: when you are egoless, you can realise the creator... as we understand.. we are nothing.. everything is HIS. PRATAP THAKKER: yes chandra nayanika romanyuk: DESIRES APART WE HAVE TO SAY GOODBYE TO PRIDE G Balasubramanian: And as long as the feeling of "I" and "Mine" are there ego will not leave us PRATAP THAKKER: yes pride is the worst chandra acharya: pride = ego naa ?? PRATAP THAKKER: v have to bid good bye to it nayanika romanyuk: AHAMKARA TRANSLATES TO PRIDE padswami: pride is a form of ego PRATAP THAKKER: ego is more than jsut pride chandra acharya: ok padswami sir.. padswami: starting is desire, then attachment then ego PRATAP THAKKER: v have already discussed in last 2 sessions PRATAP THAKKER: the text is available with S B O I webmaster nayanika romanyuk: SELF AND SELF ALONE THE INTEREST IS AHAMKARA padswami: so how do we overcome this and become ego less? nayanika romanyuk: WE HAVE 2 SHED DESIRES G Balasubramanian: And until ego leaves us ignorance or Agyana will not leave us.In effect, there is no way other than annihiliation of the mind and ego to attain Atmagyana nayanika romanyuk: SHED PRIDE POSSESSIONS G Balasubramanian: Or AtmaDarshan or Atmananda nayanika romanyuk: SHED RELATIONSHIPS ATTACHMENTS PROPERTY AND ALSO THE FEELING OF BELONGING PRATAP THAKKER: yes nayanika PRATAP THAKKER: easier said than done PRATAP THAKKER: is it not very difficult for all to do this? padswami: we have to start with something nayanika romanyuk: THE MIND CONSCIOUSNESS WHICH IS IMMERSED IN THE SELF SHOULD BE DISSOLVED chandra acharya: yes pratap sir.. PRATAP THAKKER: thas right PRATAP THAKKER: longest journey starts with the first step nayanika romanyuk: IMMERSE IN GOD G Balasubramanian: Because of one`s identification with the body man is being helplessly tossed hither and thitherin various ways by his ego nayanika romanyuk: PLACE EVERYTHING IN THE BOX WHICH SAYS GOD AND FORGET ABOUT IT padswami: the 4 inhibitors for not realisisng acting our god presence should be eliminated ...swami says chandra acharya: sir, with yr due permission can i leave... PRATAP THAKKER: ok nayanika romanyuk: THE OTHER BOX WHICH SAYS ANSWERS IS FULL REAP THEM WITH YOUR AUDITORY SENSE WHICH WILL SHARPEN WITH GOD CONSCIOUSNESS chandra acharya: because i have to do my office job too... PRATAP THAKKER: try to remain for 1 full hour PRATAP THAKKER: it will help us all chandra acharya: ok sir, then i will continue then... PRATAP THAKKER: v will miss u PRATAP THAKKER: sairams PRATAP THAKKER: ohh PRATAP THAKKER: good PRATAP THAKKER: thnx G Balasubramanian: "I am doing this";,I am enjoying that,; I have conquered this etc. are the sayings of ego-ridden man PRATAP THAKKER: may swami bless u nayanika romanyuk: BYE CHANDRA BROTHER nayanika romanyuk: THANKS FOR UR COMMENTS PRATAP THAKKER: no nayanika chandra acharya: no mother.. i am not going.. nayanika romanyuk: BLESSINGS PRATAP THAKKER: he is with us PRATAP THAKKER: not leaving nayanika romanyuk: OH GOOD chandra acharya: balu brother... G Balasubramanian: Thus saying to himself man is lending strength day by day to his Kartrutva Bhava or sense of doership chandra acharya: what statement u r giving... it can be used in spiritual field.. nayanika romanyuk: THE 2 BOXES IS A VERY GOOD BEGINNING FOR SELF REALIZATION AND EGO SHEDDING chandra acharya: not in our professional field.. nayanika romanyuk: I HAVE DONE THIS WITH STUDY GROUPS AND EHV chandra acharya: we have to use that.. i have done the job assigned to me.. chandra acharya: i may be wrong.. nayanika romanyuk: WHY NOT padswami has left the conference. nayanika romanyuk: NOT WRONG BUT A LITTLE TOSSED THERE ARE NO MISTAKES CHANDRA BROTHER G Balasubramanian: By inflating our ego we are deluding ourselves that we have been able to achieve things by our own effort. PRATAP THAKKER: chandra would u pls tell us y it is not useful in the professional field nayanika romanyuk: THERE IS NO OUR EFFORT THERE IS ONLY HIS WILL PRATAP THAKKER: yes maa G Balasubramanian: Our feelings of "I " and " Mine" are being unduly fostered by our false sense of doership and enjoyership chandra acharya: because i cant say to my boss... that Swami has done this work... nayanika romanyuk: CHANDRA THE SUN HAS GONE THE FIELD IS YOURS chandra acharya: though i know Swami is doing everything for me... nayanika romanyuk: GOD ONLY KNOWS SAY THAT PRATAP THAKKER: it is the bhava chandra PRATAP THAKKER: u dont have to tell nayanika romanyuk: BHAGWAN HI JANE PRATAP THAKKER: it should b in the back of our mind G Balasubramanian: We are boosting our Ahamkara by thinking continually that we are the body. chandra acharya: yes sir... chandra acharya: I know that Swami is doing everything for me.. chandra acharya: I am alive because of Swami.... chandra acharya: I am disease free, because of Swami.. G Balasubramanian: To experience the Self we require Atmagyana or Self-knowledge G Balasubramanian: That alone is true knowledge PRATAP THAKKER: all our experiences with Swami has to b kept with ourselves only nayanika romanyuk: BYE FOLKS MY HUSBAND HAS COME PRATAP THAKKER: not to b told to all and sundry G Balasubramanian: Ahamkara is human G Balasubramanian: Aham is devine nayanika romanyuk: C U BLESS U ALL nayanika romanyuk: THANKS SIR FOR THE DISCUSSION PRATAP THAKKER: wish u remianed for the full session nayanika chandra acharya: ok mother chandra acharya: Sairam n bye chandra acharya: Pratap sir, nayanika romanyuk: I CANT USKO KHANA DEINNA HAI AUR ATTEND KARNA HAI PATNI HOUN NAH nayanika romanyuk: MERA KARTAVYA HAI chandra acharya: why it should not be told to others ? nayanika romanyuk: JAI SAI RAM nayanika romanyuk has left the conference. PRATAP THAKKER: coz all wont understand us chandra acharya: But sir, PRATAP THAKKER: only those having Swamis's race and exp. will try to understand chandra acharya: I proudly declare.... of following Swami... PRATAP THAKKER: thats good G Balasubramanian: On account of bloated ego we get disintegrated in our personalty and our efficiency grows low sailaja reddy: No, thank you. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: sailaja reddy has declined to join. chandra acharya: People think me mad.. and not fit to this society.. G Balasubramanian: Again on account of ego team spirit in community is lost chandra acharya: But i dont care.. chandra acharya: Because i believe.. chandra acharya: when swami is with us... do we need others who dont care us ? chandra acharya: yes PRATAP THAKKER: that is y i tol du its the bhaava that should determine our actions PRATAP THAKKER: not slogans to b chanted aloud chandra acharya: I know Swami is protecting us like eyelids protecting eyes.. PRATAP THAKKER: yes He surely is PRATAP THAKKER: and v all pray to him to remove our ego PRATAP THAKKER: so that v realsie our true Self PRATAP THAKKER: coz ego is a hindrance in Self realisation chandra acharya: to kill ego, swami has prescribed the best medicine.. i.e doing the public service... G Balasubramanian: Egoism also causes lack of inner peace PRATAP THAKKER: yes chandra acharya: rare people do it.. chandra acharya: because of their social status.. PRATAP THAKKER: Seva is the best way toridof ego G Balasubramanian: Man creates within himself a great variety of selfish habits and attitudes chandra acharya: yes balu sir... u r right... chandra acharya: we accept swami's advice what suits us... G Balasubramanian: This causes him great discontent with in himself PRATAP THAKKER: wht does that lead him to? G Balasubramanian: The effulgenceof man`s divine nature is obscured by egoism PRATAP THAKKER: G Balasubramanian: Ego stops our ascent G Balasubramanian: Ego stops our ascent G Balasubramanian: We arepart and parcel of of the Divine G Balasubramanian: Just a drop in the ocean PRATAP THAKKER: the last part of the session v shall have next time and that is " how to remove ego?" PRATAP THAKKER: having dwelled on wht is ego, ego as hindrance in Self realisation G Balasubramanian: If we succed in reducing our ego then things will work out properly PRATAP THAKKER: last will b " how to annihilate ego?" chandra acharya: yes sir ... u r right.. PRATAP THAKKER: chandra u too pls come prepared G Balasubramanian: Ego is our own enemy chandra acharya: yes sir.. G Balasubramanian: It is created by us chandra acharya: infact i am not a well read person... PRATAP THAKKER: also invite ur other learned devotee freinds from sai cirle tojoin the satsangh chandra acharya: i have joined you to learn from you well read people.. G Balasubramanian: We have to see from where it has come chandra acharya: ok sir. PRATAP THAKKER: v all learn from Bhagawan chandra acharya: in our centre, the satsang topic is going on since last 3 weeks chandra acharya: Individual Transformation. PRATAP THAKKER: where? G Balasubramanian: Looks I am left alone chandra acharya: why and how ? PRATAP THAKKER: sorry chandra acharya: in our Samithy... PRATAP THAKKER: i think v may now comclude today's topic G Balasubramanian: In the sense I am only found saying something chandra acharya: sorry balu brother PRATAP THAKKER: chandra invite ur samithi devotees to join next time G Balasubramanian: SAI RAM chandra acharya: pls continue... G Balasubramanian: If we can confine to the topic of thse day it will be good G Balasubramanian: I agree with Pratap Thakkar PRATAP THAKKER: THE NEXT SATANGH WILL B HELD ON THURSDAY 13TH JULY 2006 G Balasubramanian: Noted chandra acharya: we have only 1/2 family having computer access chandra acharya: i will tell them. chandra acharya: sorry i was disconnected.. PRATAP THAKKER: GOOD G Balasubramanian: Topic also may be announced PRATAP THAKKER: SO NEXT THURSDAY THERE WILL B NO ONLINE SATSANGH G Balasubramanian: Yes chandra acharya: why sir ? PRATAP THAKKER: IT WILL B THURSDAY THEREAFTER PRATAP THAKKER: 13 TH JULY G Balasubramanian: Yes PRATAP THAKKER: YES TOPIC WILL B ANNOUNCED G Balasubramanian: OK chandra acharya: reason sir ? G Balasubramanian: SAI RAM PRATAP THAKKER: THE WEBMASTER IS PROMPTLY ANNOUNCING ALL PRATAP THAKKER: I SHALL COMMUNICATE WITH HIM RIGHT AWAY chandra acharya: any problem ? PRATAP THAKKER: SO SHALL V CONCLUDE WITH 3 SHANTHIS? chandra acharya: next thursday ? G Balasubramanian: OK G Balasubramanian: Yes PRATAP THAKKER: AAUUUUUUUMMMM............................................... PRATAP THAKKER: SHANTHI...... PRATAP THAKKER: SHANTHIIIIIIIIIIIIII........... PRATAP THAKKER: SHAANNNTHI...HI................ chandra acharya: Aum... chandra acharya: Shanti... PRATAP THAKKER: SAIRAMS chandra acharya: Shanti...... chandra acharya: Shantih................ NEXT GLOBAL ONLINE DIVINE SATSANGH ….G.O.D.S. THURSDAY 13TH JULY, 206 AT 10.00 PM ( I S T )