GLOBAL SATSANGH 15-06-2006 ( 3RD OF 2006 ) G Balasubramanian has joined the conference. Meena Motwani has joined the conference. G Balasubramanian: SAI RAM sunitha pl has joined the conference. sunitha pl: sairam to all sailaja reddy: No, thank you. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: sailaja reddy has declined to join. donthuswetha has joined the conference. PRATAP THAKKER: loving sairams to all PRATAP THAKKER: may v start with 3 aumkars G Balasubramanian: SAI RAM PRATAP THAKKER: aaauuuuuummmmmmmmm............ G Balasubramanian: What is Ego? PRATAP THAKKER: aaauuuuuummmmmmmmm.............. PRATAP THAKKER: aaauuuuuummmmmmmmm.................... G Balasubramanian: Ego is a latin terminology. It means "I" PRATAP THAKKER: yes the topic for today is "wht is Ego and how to overcom it" donthuswetha: sairam G Balasubramanian: The term Ego is also used to Indcate an exaggerated sense ofself-importance PRATAP THAKKER: wrong identification of Self? G Balasubramanian: Also conceit, pride in oneself and self-esteem PRATAP THAKKER: yes PRATAP THAKKER: may v have other's views plss PRATAP THAKKER: sunitha.. G Balasubramanian: A sense of one`s own dignity or worth, an inflated feeling of pride in one`s superority over others sunitha pl: ys PRATAP THAKKER: very nice PRATAP THAKKER: swetha ..wht do u think? G Balasubramanian: The first step towards formation of ego is the thinking,"I Am" PRATAP THAKKER: hmm donthuswetha: i agree with what all of you said sunitha pl has left the conference. G Balasubramanian: Whenever My ego is not functioning, I am either asleep or am under influence of drugs sunitha pl: No, thank you. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: sunitha pl has declined to join. PRATAP THAKKER: so in sleep there si no ego G Balasubramanian: Ego is the experience that one has a separate individual existence distinct from God. G Balasubramanian: It is an indicator of spiritual Ignorance G Balasubramanian: Ignorance about one`s own true nature PRATAP THAKKER: yes G Balasubramanian: The Divinity within us G Balasubramanian: It leads one to believe that one is only the physical body PRATAP THAKKER: or mayb the mind G Balasubramanian: Ego ,the I-object is an assumed entity G Balasubramanian: It carries with it illusory personal sense of doership G Balasubramanian: However, since the I-object does not exist, there is no doer, no observer etc. PRATAP THAKKER: doership and enjoyership? sailaja reddy: No, thank you. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: sailaja reddy has declined to join. G Balasubramanian: A jiva develops Ego sense -the sense of separateness and pride in his personal worth and achievements under the influence of of illusion G Balasubramanian: The ego is responsible for the sense of ownership and doership PRATAP THAKKER: hmm G Balasubramanian: EGO= Karta+Bokta+Knower PRATAP THAKKER: Really , this is a great exposition on " ego" ..wish there were many here to take advantage of this G Balasubramanian: Identification of the individual with his Body, Mind and intellect G Balasubramanian: It fails the jiva in knowing his real nature PRATAP THAKKER: and therefore rightly it is a hindrance in reaching god G Balasubramanian: The jiva under influence of ego thinks and acts selfishly and egoistically G Balasubramanian: As if he is different from others. G Balasubramanian: The ego sense is separative in nature and makes each being conceiev of itself as an independent personality PRATAP THAKKER: hmm PRATAP THAKKER: yes independent from God G Balasubramanian: In ego condition we create a self-image of ourselves that we believe in us, but it is not us. donthuswetha: hmm G Balasubramanian: The self image contains false projections PRATAP THAKKER: yes G Balasubramanian: Doership is the feeling that"I am the one doing a task rather than God getting it done through me kuta17: No, thank you. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: kuta17 has declined to join. G Balasubramanian: Ahankaravimoodatama Kartaham iti manyate, says the Lord in Bhagawad Geeta G Balasubramanian: It means that the deluded Jiva under the influnce of Ego thinks he is the Doer donthuswetha: what does that mean? donthuswetha: ok G Balasubramanian: I am the body idea is the doership and enjoyership which constitutes induvidualised ego PRATAP THAKKER: very nice G Balasubramanian: Doership, knowership and enjoyership arise only when we anticipate the results in advance and in fact we really plan to get the reward PRATAP THAKKER: yes G Balasubramanian: If there can be disinterestedness in the attainment of the goal, the problem will be solved easily PRATAP THAKKER: disinterestedness? G Balasubramanian: The ego is continually under the sense of doership until the final time of liberation G Balasubramanian: Sense of doership, to repeat, is our identification with the agent and is a distorted version of ourselves donthuswetha: hmm G Balasubramanian: It stops us from resting in our true nature which is bliss, pure and unattached. donthuswetha: yes G Balasubramanian: Sense of being the doer is our enemy and it has to be vanquished with the sword of Knowledge about our true nature. PRATAP THAKKER: which knowledge? G Balasubramanian: Even when thoroughly eradicated, the sense of doership can revive like weedsand unwanted greenery coming ip in the lawn after rains. G Balasubramanian: Knowledge that we are not the body, mind and intellect only G Balasubramanian: Knowledge that we are that supreme PRATAP THAKKER: ok PRATAP THAKKER: thnx sailaja reddy has joined the conference. PRATAP THAKKER: wht more on Ego? G Balasubramanian: "I can do, I will do, I have the power to do, my prestige is at stake, I know more than you etc, etc, are some examples of ego eruptions PRATAP THAKKER: great G Balasubramanian: WE can go on elaborating but time is the constraint PRATAP THAKKER: let the topic b discussed threadbare G Balasubramanian: Swamy says, Ego causes lack of inner peace PRATAP THAKKER: the same will b circulated amongst all the members G Balasubramanian: Man creates within himself a great variety of selfish habits and attitudes G Balasubramanian: This causes him great discontent within himself PRATAP THAKKER: leading to frustration? G Balasubramanian: The effulgence of man`s divine nature is obscured by egoism. G Balasubramanian: Therfore when ego is destroyed all the troubles end. All discontent vanishes and true bliss is attained G Balasubramanian: Should we continue, moderator,Sir? PRATAP THAKKER: yes Sir PRATAP THAKKER: its very interesting PRATAP THAKKER: could nt b better PRATAP THAKKER: this should bring us to the next level PRATAP THAKKER: how ego can b overcom? PRATAP THAKKER: wht do u all say? G Balasubramanian: Ego is the body-mind complex where we have been imprisoned for so long that release is extremely difficult PRATAP THAKKER: continue? G Balasubramanian: The total memory of the past constitute our ego. PRATAP THAKKER: swetha? padswami: No, thank you. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: padswami has declined to join. G Balasubramanian: Ego and egocentric desires combine together to bring about maladjustment, disintegration and healthy working with others PRATAP THAKKER: healthy? donthuswetha: i think,by undestanding that we are just the forms of god we can overcome ego G Balasubramanian: When selfishness is fattened the ego gets bloated donthuswetha: Be ever in consciousness that you are but a shadow of God G Balasubramanian: And one gets anxious to get greater gains than all others PRATAP THAKKER: yes swetha PRATAP THAKKER: thats 1 way to overcom ego G Balasubramanian: Ego kills team spirit in community donthuswetha: Swami’s Quotation “Be ever in consciousness that you are but a shadow of God, His image. Then, no harm can come to you. God walks along the royal road to Truth. The shadow holding to Him by the Feet, falls on hallow and hill, fire and water and dirt and dust. But, holding to the Feet, as done the shadow, you will be unaffected by the ups and downs of life”. G Balasubramanian: Let us take a practical situation PRATAP THAKKER: beautiful quotation G Balasubramanian: Imay totally disagree with a person G Balasubramanian: But out of some compulsion, I had to admit, 'You are right etc." donthuswetha: One can be freed only by limiting one’s wants. G Balasubramanian: During those moments let us watch what goes within us. There will be a combination of a tsunami, tornado,earthquake and volcano at the same place. G Balasubramanian: This is ego G Balasubramanian: I can not tolerate others being rewarded or recognised. Thia is my ego G Balasubramanian: The above are only by way of examples G Balasubramanian: Ego makes one conceited that he only is the best rameshbodla: Thanks, but no thanks. Yahoo! Messenger with Voice: rameshbodla has declined to join. G Balasubramanian: WE have another 10 minutes or so G Balasubramanian: Shall we talk anything about surmounting ego? G Balasubramanian: Overcoming ego in this session? donthuswetha: yes G Balasubramanian: Moderator Sir G Balasubramanian: SAi Ram G Balasubramanian: SAI RAM G Balasubramanian: Pratapji, Are you there? G Balasubramanian: Looks only 5 of us are in Satsang G Balasubramanian: Let others also say something donthuswetha: hmm G Balasubramanian: I would not like to dominate this session G Balasubramanian: Another 4 minutes left G Balasubramanian: Let us do actions without carrying a sense of doership donthuswetha: you are sharing your views G Balasubramanian: Thanks donthuswetha: need not think like that sai ram G Balasubramanian: Once the sens of doership is dispelled it becomes an action G Balasubramanian: For which one is not it`s doer and it is anon-action for him. donthuswetha: hmm G Balasubramanian: Ordinarily, when we do any work we think, "I am working or I am producing the result etc. G Balasubramanian: If that is the case, I(the jiva) am the doer of Karma and I can produce the result wanted by me G Balasubramanian: But our experience is quite the opposite G Balasubramanian: We do not get the result we desired donthuswetha: yes G Balasubramanian: There is frustration G Balasubramanian: Sorrow and suffering in the world G Balasubramanian: So our assumption is wrong donthuswetha: and there is no mental peace too G Balasubramanian: The results of all actions are determined by factors beyond our control donthuswetha: hmm G Balasubramanian: Factors such as Right effort in the right direction in right time are important PRATAP THAKKER: yea G Balasubramanian: Above all these there is the unseen unknown or unpredictable factors beyond the jiva`s control G Balasubramanian: SAI Ram G Balasubramanian: It is time to conclude G Balasubramanian: Moderator Sir PRATAP THAKKER: ok G Balasubramanian: Over to you PRATAP THAKKER: 1 Aum PRATAP THAKKER: followed b y 3 shantis.. PRATAP THAKKER: ok? G Balasubramanian: Ok PRATAP THAKKER: Aaauuuuummmmmmmmmmmmmmm.......... donthuswetha: ok PRATAP THAKKER: Shanti.................. PRATAP THAKKER: Shanti......... PRATAP THAKKER: Shanti hi.......... G Balasubramanian: Sai Ram to all donthuswetha: sairam G Balasubramanian has left the conference. PRATAP THAKKER: the text will b circulated soon